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Ackman Reveals That He Bought $1.8 Billion Worth Of Procter & Gamble Stock

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Hedge fund titan Bill Ackman, the founder and CEO of Pershing Square Capital Management, was asked about his massive stake he recently snapped up in Procter & Gamble at the CNBC/Institutional Investor Delivering Alpha Conference today.

He revealed that he bought $1.8 billion worth of P&G stock.

He was also asked if he supports the company's current CEO, Bob McDonald. 

The hedge fund manager responded that he looks forward to meeting him.  He also said he's going to take a "hard look" at the company. 

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Bill Ackman Hosted A Singles Party At His Apartment Last Night

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At the Delivering Alpha conference we went up to Bill Ackman, the CEO and founder of Pershing Square Capital Management, and asked him where he was last night.

That's because the hedge fund manager had purchased a table at the REACH "Take 'Em To School Poker Tournament," but he didn't show up.

Ackman told us that he hosted a "singles party" at his apartment last night.

About 180 people attended the event.

Reuters Svea Herbst-Bayliss also reports that Ackman and his wife Karen go through their Rolodexes and invite singles to this event in their home. 

What's more is the hedge fund manager apparently already has a pretty solid matchmaking record. 

Back in 2011, the New York Observer reported that Ackman "claims to have yenta’d at least four marriages."

Maybe there will be more to come.

SEE ALSO: Inside The Sold-Out Poker Tournament Attended By Whitney Tilson, David Einhorn And Other Hedge Fund Big Shots >

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These Are The 12 Books That Bill Ackman Has All His Analysts Read

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Monte Burke of Forbes Magazine, recently wrote a piece about a fishing guide named Oliver White who took Pershing Square Capital Management's founder, Bill Ackman, on a fishing trip in the Bahamas.  

At the end of the trip, Ackman was so impressed with the young man, that he offered him an analyst position at his hedge fund. 

The only stipulation was that White, read twelve books before he could start his job on The Street.

Thanks to White and Burke, here are a few of Bill Ackman's must-reads. 

Head over to Forbes to check out the list>

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Bill Ackman's Very First Analyst Is Leaving Pershing Square To Start His Own Fund

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The first analyst Bill Ackman hired for his Pershing Square fund in 2003, will be leaving within weeks to start his own hedge fund, Bloomberg Busienssweek reported

Scott Ferguson, now a partner at Pershing Square, was hired by Ackman fresh out of Harvard Business School in the fall off 2003, about six months before the inception of Ackman's famous fund, which has returned 379% net of fees. 

Ferguson, who's 38 years old, has been speaking with Ackman about leaving the firm for a while now.  Ackman, who launched Pershing Square at 37 years of age, believes that it's an appropriate time for Ferguson to launch his own fund. 

According to Scott Ferguson's LinkedIn account, he's a 1996 Stanford graduate and a 2003 graduate of Harvard Business School.  

Like Ackman's fund, Ferguson's hedge fund will use an activist strategy and will conduct value-oriented research while pushing for internal changes at under performing companies.

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The 16 Nastiest Feuds In Wall Street History

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It seems like we've seen a lot of feuds in finance lately.

And with big money and reputations at stake, it's no surprise that disagreements and quarrels have broken out in the world of high finance.

Sometimes the fights are between bank execs and fund managers and other times the financial media and politicians get pulled into it, too. 

What's more is the fights between high-powered individuals tend to get thrown into the public spotlight.

We've rounded up some of the best feuds in financial industry. Who doesn't like a good knock-down, drag out.

Dan Loeb vs. Ken Griffin

In 2005, Citadel founder Griffin's poaching of New York hedge fund employees caught the eye of Third Point's Dan Loeb. Griffin, who charges a higher management fee than traditional hedge funders, was allegedly luring the employees away with offers of higher salaries.

Loeb, who is known for his scathing letters to CEOs when he feels that companies he has invested in are not doing well, took up his poison pen and wrote Griffin a scathing letter. In it, he called Citadel a "gulag" and forbade him from approaching any Third Point employees under any circumstances. He also told Griffin matter of factly that Citadel was "over-rated" and that Griffin does not know how to manage people.

Here's our favorite bit from the letter:

I understand your need to hire employees from other firms, something that Third Point has not had to do based on the fact that, unlike yourself, I actually enjoy and have talent in investing and am able to nurture others within my organization whom I hire from wide ranging disciplines such as graduate schools, private equity firms and medicine.

Source: Insider Monkey



Cornelius Vanderbilt vs. Jay Gould

Financiers Jay Gould and Cornelius Vanderbilt engaged in one of the most epic feuds dubbed the "Erie war" in an effort to control Erie Railroad.

In 1868, Gould, a railroad developer who was a member of the board of directors for the company, teamed up with his co-conspirators James Frisk and Daniel Drew to issue a bunch of fraudulent shares of the Erie Railroad's stock.

He was able to legalize his actions by bribing legislators in Albany. 

This ended up watering down the stock price causing Vanderbilt to lose about $7 million.  

Gould later returned most of that money back, but Vanderbilt lost his attempt to control the company.

Source: Commodore: The Life of Cornelius Vanderbilt

Source: notablebiographies.com



Bill Gross vs. Jeremy Stiegel

Bond king Bill Gross took a few shots at Wharton finance professor Jeremy Siegel in an investment letter explaining why stocks are going to be horrible investments.  

Siegel later appeared on CNBC and explained how Gross's analysis was wrong

He also appeared on Bloomberg TV and pointed out that Gross had called for the DOW to fall to 5,000 back in 2002 over the next 10 years but that it was at about 13,000. 

Gross appeared on Bloomberg TV shortly after that and fired back with, "Well Professor Siegel is getting a little nasty here but it seems like the gloves are off." 

What's more is in response to Siegel pointing out that Gross's analysis was off when he looked at the hundred year time frame for the 6.6% return, Gross responded with, "Well Professor Siegel's Ivory Tower again lacks common sense. If wealth is created at 3 percent a year in terms of GDP and that wealth is divided as it always is by government, by labor, and by business in the form of corporate profits, then its hard to see how one element corporation and stocks can continue to 3 percent more than real GDP going forward, and that's common sense."



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Bill Ackman's Pershing Square Massively Decreased Its Citigroup Stake And Dumped Kraft (KFT, C, PG)

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Hedge fund titan Bill Ackman, the founder of Pershing Square Capital Management, just filed his 13F regulatory filing

For the second quarter ended June 30, 2012, Pershing Square revealed that it exited its entire positions in Kraft and Family Dollar Stores

During the second quarter, the hedge fund also decreased its stake in Citigroup to 1.1 million shares from ~26.1 million shares in Q1, the filing shows.

For Q2, Ackman's hedge fund owned 21,916,208 shares in Proctor & Gamble, the filing shows.

His stake in JCPenney remained the same at 39,075,771 shares, according to the 13F.

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The Biggest Names In The Hedge Fund World Have Officially Gone Sour On Financials (C, BAC, JPM)

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Yesterday hedge funds filed their quarterly 13-F reports with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

And if you compare new filings to old ones you get to see what financiers have picked up, and what they've dumped.

One big trend instantly stood out to us: Lots of folks are dumping substantial amounts (if not all) of their stock in one sector — financials.

Take a look at the run down:

Make of it what you will.

For more on Soros' trading, see here >

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Read The Part Of Bill Ackman's Investor Letter Where He Talks About Taking A Bath On JC Penney (JCP)

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Hedge fund titan Bill Ackman, the founder and CEO of Pershing Square Capital Management, is still making a bullish case for JCPenney even though his hedge fund is taking a beating on that investment.

Pershing Square's investment in J.C. Penney has cost them "more than nine percentage points of gross return this year", Ackman wrote in an investment letter. 

However, Ackman said he has "complete confidence" in Ron Johnson, a former Apple and Target retail exec who became the CEO of J.C. Penney in November 2011. 

For the second quarter ended June 30, 2012, Pershing Square had 39,075,771 shares, or a 17.87% stake, in J.C. Penney, according to Bloomberg data citing a 13F regulatory filing. 

Shares of J.C. Penney were last up more than 4% during mid-day trading on Wednesday. 

The news was first reported by New York Post's Michelle Celarier. 

Now here's the excerpt from the quarterly investor letter about JCPenney. (emphasis ours)

J.C. Penney Company, Inc. (JCP)

In our last quarterly letter, I wrote in detail about our investment in JCP. Very little has changed since that letter other than a continued decline in the share price, which from its high of $43 in early February has cost us more than nine percentage points of gross return this year. The stock price has declined largely due to lower than expected sales in the first quarter, the elimination of the dividend, and a senior executive departure. The fact that the company has yet to build credibility with the investment community has contributed to the stock price decline. This will take time and will largely be driven by better results.

I have complete confidence in Ron Johnson and the new management team he has assembled to execute a total transformation of this iconic U.S. retailer. Ron has been at the job for eight months and has made remarkable progress in many of the requirements for the turnaround. The execution has not, however, been flawless. In particular, the company has had a somewhat confusing pricing message and has struggled to communicate the new business model and every-day value available in the store.

The company has stated that it expects some progress on sales in the second half of the year, an assumption that we believe is realistic in light of the opening of 10 new shops – branded stores within the store – for the back-to school-season in August along with approximately 50% new product in the stores. These new product offerings and improved presentation when combined with better designed advertising and marketing should drive increased traffic and sales. 

The JCP bears’ principal argument rests on additional dramatic declines in sales contributing to balance sheet deterioration at the company. In fact, JCP’s balance sheet is equipped to handle even a large decline in sales for several reasons. Unlike most other retailers for which rent is an enormous fixed cost, JCP’s real estate cost is very low because it owns 50% of its stores and leases the balance at low single-digit rents. The company also benefits from long-term, low-cost debt with limited expirations over the next several years, more than $800 million of cash at the last quarterly report, $1.5 billion of undrawn revolver capacity, and more than $600 million of non-core assets that it can sell. 

Retailing is a cash-flow seasonal business. Certain bearish investors have annualized the first quarter’s negative cash flow in modeling the company’s future cash flows. As with other retailers, most of JCP’s cash generation will occur in the fourth quarter of the year. At its last analyst presentation, the company estimated that it will generate approximately one billion of operating cash flow in 2012 which will be sufficient to fund its $800 million in capital expenditures for new shop development and other needs. Even if the company’s estimates prove optimistic, JCP’s significant liquidity and financial resources should enable it to weather all but the most catastrophic storms.

The company has executed successfully on $900 million of annual cost savings that will drop to the bottom line beginning over the next several quarters. Starting next year, the company’s quarterly sales will be compared with the first quarter’s 18.9% decline, and will benefit by the launch of several new branded shops each month and further improvements to the pricing message and strategy. In light of the large reduction in operating costs, even a modest increase in sales in 2013 should generate large cash flows and profits for shareholders. We look forward to the continued transformation.

SEE ALSO: Here's Bill Ackman's Huge Presentation On JCPenney >


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Waiters At New York City's Restaurants Know Never To Seat Bill Ackman Next To Carl Icahn

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There's an awesome piece in the New York Times Dining section that talks about the codes New York City restaurant staffers use to identify customers and personalize their experience (h/t @Dutch_Book).

And while we find it fascinating that waiters at fine establishments all over the city are making note of your love of bread ends or marking customers as 'HWC' (handle with care), we really only got excited about one tidbit — what happens when Bill Ackman and Carl Icahn show up at the same restaurant.

If you don't remember: Ackman and Icahn feuded back in in 2004 over a quick deal they made when Ackman's firm was being investigated by the SEC in 2003. Ackman cold called Icahn and asked him to buy shares of Hallwood Realty, a real estate company trading for about $60, but Ackman said was worth $140. Ichan agreed, but when Halwood merged with another company for $137 a share, Icahn wouldn't give Ackman a cut.

So, as is common on Wall Street, there was a lawsuit. As is less common, Ackman called "shakedown artist" whose word was "useless" and also convinced another investor to refuse Icahn's money.

Ackman won ultimately, and Icahn paid him $9 million.

Now, thanks to the New York Times, we know that this whole affair is probably not all water under the bridge (from the NYT):

At Marea, Michael White’s Italian restaurant on Central Park South, for instance, the hedge fund manager William A. Ackman is a regular and one of many customers who rates an NR, never refuse. What the computer does not say (but the general manager, Rocky Cirino, knows) is that servers can never seat Mr. Ackman next to Carl C. Icahn, another big Wall Street name. The two have sued each other.

That's really specific, but the rest of Wall Street shouldn't feel left out.

Mr. Cirino reads the business press and watches CNBC in an effort to know his clients better. “If a chief executive comes in and that day he announced a bad quarter, I want to know,” he said. “It changes the tone of the conversation.”

It also probably changes the speed with which they're handed their first drink.

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A Year Ago, Some Of The Top Investors In The World Gave Out Their Best Stock Picks — Here's How They Did (FBHS, GMCR, AAPL, BRK, GS)

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The highly-anticipated Value Investing Congress, a two-day event where top hedge fund stars present their best investment ideas, kicks off next Monday in Manhattan. 

Clusterstock will be there keeping you up to date with all the latest news and trade ideas coming from the conference.  

In the meantime, let's review how the investing ideas presented last October did.

These ideas were shared on October 17 and October 18, 2011.  For this report, we used data from Yahoo! Finance and tracked the stock's performance from the day the idea was announced through today.  

In case you're not already familiar with investing terms, "long" means you're buying a stock because you think the value will go up.  Shorting a stock is the opposite.  It means you're selling borrowed shares of stock with the expectation that it will fall. 

SEE ALSO: Leon Cooperman's tremendous presentation on life and investing >

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WHITNEY TILSON: These Are The Biggest Mistakes That Investors Make

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The 8th annual Value Investing Congress (VAC) starts in New York City on Monday, and that means some of the deepest thinkers on Wall Street will be presenting ideas that could rock the world of investing.

At least, that's what's happened in the past. The VAC is where David Einhorn once presented his devastating ideas on Green Mountain. It's also where Bill Ackman delivered his thesis on MBIA and the problems with bond insurers before the financial crisis.

So yeah, it's a big deal.

The VAC was founded by 20-year investing veterans John Schwartz and Whitney Tilson. As Tilson tells it, the idea came from a constant desire to keep learning from the best people in the field. For example, he's sat in on Seth Klarman and Joel Greenblatt's Columbia Business School classes and of course, attends the mother of all learning experiences, the annual Berkshire Hathaway shareholder meeting.

The VAC is a way for Tilson and Schwartz to contribute to that tradition.

"It's a labor of love trying to share with other investors what I've benefitted from — listening to smart investors and asking questions," Tilson told Business Insider. "I think panels dumb people down... I became convinced the best learning format was to get the worlds smartest investors together... and the most critical part of it is taking questions, engaging with the audience."

It's an audience of people that, as Tilson put it, "pray at the church of Graham, Dodd, Buffett and Munger."

This year speakers include David Einhorn and Bill Ackman (again), as well as Glenn Tongue from T2 Partners, Barry Rosestein from JANA partners and more. The main thing is that the VAC is a community of experienced of thinkers that are wise to the mistakes most investors make and are willing to share those mistakes.

That said: We asked Tilson to share some of what he's learned over the years, and he came up with two common mistakes investors make pretty quickly. One is following the herd, and another is projecting a company or industry's immediate past into the future.

"If a company's earnings or stock have been going up people project that forever," he said. "The reality is that trees don't grow into the sky, and there's a very real thing called reversion to the mean."

Green Mountain Coffee is a perfect example of that. It was a hot product with patent protection. When that protection was gone, the company said that its business wouldn't change — obviously that wasn't the case.

Another mistake Tilson shared: Following Wall Street recommendations. Analysts are conflicted because the same companies they research can be their bank's clients. There's supposed to be Chinese Wall, but that isn't always the case, especially because companies can retaliate against analysts for bad ratings.

"Generally speaking they're the last people to warn investors on impending troubles," said Tilson.

There are exceptions to this analyst rule, of course, but more helpful than knowing who the exceptions are is speaking analyst.

"You have to be clever and read between the lines of what an analyst is really saying...It's like the Russians reading Pravda during the Communist era," he added.

If you're missing this round of wisdom, don't worry. Tilson and Schwartz will hold another Value Investing Congress in May, where you can learn how to decode.

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LIVE: Today The World's Top Hedge Fund Managers Are Presenting Their Best Investment Picks (GMCR)

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Investors are gathering at the Marriott Marquis in Manhattan today and tomorrow to hear some of the world's top hedge fund managers present their investment picks at the annual Value Investing Congress (VIC). 

The event starts at 8:30 AM ET.

The conference speaker line-up features hedge fund heavyweights including, David Einhorn (Greenlight Capital), Bill Ackman (Pershing Square Capital Management), Glenn Tongue and Barry Rosentein (JANA Partners) among many others.  

Ackman is scheduled to speak at 5 p.m. today.  Einhorn, who presented his Green Mountain Coffee short in the past, will speak tomorrow. 

We're live blogging throughout this event, so refresh this page and check Clusterstock for all the latest news and investment picks coming from the VIC.

SEE ALSO: Here's how last year's VIC picks have performed >



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Bill Ackman Presents His Big Investment Idea At The Value Investing Congress

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Hedge fund titan Bill Ackman, the founder of Pershing Square Capital Management, presented his big investment idea at the 8th annual Value Investing Congress in Manhattan. 

He started off talking about how he likes real estate investment trust General Growth Properties. He says the stock has done quite well since emerging from Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.  

Then he started talking about Brookfield Asset Management.  

He said that if Brookfield can get its stake in General Growth Properties to 45% then it will have "de facto" control and that could be harmful to the minority shareholders.  

He sees Simon Property Group making a bid for GGP and that's a good thing.  

According to Ackman, Simon Property Group made four offers to acquire GGP.  Since Simon's offer for GGP in 2010, GGP has come a long way. 

As a standalone business, GGP is attractive, Ackman said.  However, a Simon merger is "substantially superior"to GGP remaining independent.  

Ackman said that it's a great deal for Simon and GGP.

On a standalone basis, Ackman says GGP should be $31/share over the next five years, but if there's a deal with Simon it could be better. 

"We strongly urge General Growth Properties board to form a special committee, hire independent advisors to salvage shareholder value before it's too late," the final slide in his presentation said. 

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Bill Ackman Says He Has A 'Patriotic' Short Bet And The Country Will Be Better Off When The Company Goes Bust

Here's The Massive Presentation On REITs That Bill Ackman Delivered At The Value Investing Congress

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Yesterday hedge fund heavyweight Bill Ackman, the founder of Pershing Square Capital Management, presented his big idea at the 8th annual Value Investing Congress. 

He wants the sale of one of his long-time investments, General Growth Properties, to Simon Property Group. 

Ackman began his presentation by talking about how he likes real estate investment trust General Growth Properties.  Ackman said that the stock has done "quite well" since emerging from Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.  

During his presentation, Ackman said Brookfield Asset Management is getting "creeping control" by increasing its stake in GGP.  He noted that if BAM could get its stake to 45% then it will have "de facto" control and that could be harmful to minority shareholders.  

However, Ackman said he sees Simon Property Group making a bid for GGP and that's a good thing.  

According to Ackman, Simon Property Group made four offers to acquire GGP.  Since Simon's offer for GGP in 2010, the company has come a long way, he explained. 

As a standalone business, GGP is attractive, Ackman said.  However, a Simon merger is "substantially superior" to GGP remaining independent.  

We've included Ackman's massively detailed presentation in the slides that follow.  He includes excerpts from letters he's written and he even calls out one of General Growth Properties board members for earning fees from Brookfield as an investment banker.







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Ben Bernanke Has His Hands All Over The Run On The Hong Kong Dollar

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The Hong Kong Monetary Authority (HKMA) was forced to intervene in the currency market again last night. This is the second time in a week that the upper end of the USDHKD peg has been tested by speculators. 

There are two aspects to the attack on the HK$ that are worth noting:

1)   This is a “celebrity trade”.

2)   Ben Bernanke is responsible for the run on the currency.

Bill Ackman has made a very well publicized bet on the HK$. I find this  interesting as it reminds me of George Soros, in 1992, when he took on the Bank of England and forced a devaluation of Sterling Vs. the Dollar.

Bernanke has his hands all over the run on the HKD.  On October 14, he flew halfway around the world to deliver the message that specs should take on the HKMA.

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I was surprised at how strong Bernanke’s words were at the IMF confab in Japan. At the time, I thought that he was guilty of economic saber rattling (Link). It was clear that Ben was addressing his strong language at Mainland China and its currency, the CNY. It appears that the FX markets have listened to Bernanke, and are now taking a run at China’s other currency, the HK$.

The HKMA has not been forced to intervene in support of the peg for more than three years. Five days after Bernanke spoke, it is forced to enter the currency market on a near daily basis. If you believe this timing is just a coincidence, think again. Everything in FX is connected.

I’m not smart enough to know if the following chart is going to be broken anytime soon. But the pot is boiling at the moment; big bets are being made. I believe that the HK$ story will be in the press a fair bit in the coming days. Who knows, maybe this time the specs will topple the HKMA.

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Consider the implications of this:

- The head of the Fed has launched an economic attack against a sovereign state. If Ben is successful in toppling the peg, there will be many angry folks at the HKMA. If the HK$ ends up getting revalued, the HKMA will lose billions on its reserve holdings.

- It’s impossible for other CBs not to take notice of what has happened. Is Brazil the next country to get strong-armed by the Fed?

- If the HK$ goes, Ackman will get his pic on all the front pages. He will be touted as the next Soros. The guy who “toppled” a central bank. That “rep” may be deserved, but the fact is that Bernanke is the guy who will make it happen. That is just too much theater for me. Bernanke is pursing policies that make hedge funds rich, but this is over the top.

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- If Ackman has a big win, there has to be consequences. Other central banks will speak up. After all, Bernanke has triggered a run on a major currency. That’s a very big deal.

- If the HKMA is forced to revalue its currency, then other peg currencies are going to come into speculator’s cross hairs. The Korean Won and Swiss Franc come to mind. The HK$ outcome is not the only factor that will decide the fate of other pegged currencies, but once money starts moving, it is very hard to stop. What is happening today in Hong Kong, could easily result in global capital market disruptions.

Just a point here. Toppling central banks is a messy business. This will be a “reval” versus a “deval” so it is different than what Soros did to the BOE, but messy and unforgettable none the less.

Watch out for the HK$ over the next few weeks. If it goes, it will not be a “risk-on event”, and Bernanke will get egg on his face for having started it.

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Bill Ackman And Pershing Square Helped Build And Pay For This New Playground In Newark

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Hedge fund titan Bill Ackman's Pershing Square Capital Management and the Pershing Square Foundation helped do something truly remarkable this past Saturday. 

Employees from the hedge fund and the Pershing Square Foundation helped build and pay for a brand a new playground on an empty lot in Newark, New Jersey.

This was done in partnership with the Greater Newark Housing Partnership, the Urban League of Essex County, organizers from the non-profit KaBOOM! and residents of the Fairmount Heights neighborhood. 

With the new playground completed, now more than 600 kids in the Fairmount Heights neighborhood will have a place to play that's nearby.  Before this, there wasn't a playground within walking distance. 

Community service outings like these are not only a great way to give back, but they're also a fantastic way to build teamwork within a firm.   

Speaking of teamwork, Ackman told Business Insider that a great team player is "someone who works hard, has always got someone else's back, likes to have fun and has a lot of energy." 

Ackman also said that Pershing Square Capital Management hasn't done a lot of these outings, but they made a decision early on in the year to start doing more as a fund.  

"It's great for the organization, great for the community.  Everyone wins."  

The new playground's design is based off of drawings created by children who live in the neighborhood.



Here's Bill Ackman mulching. 'Mulching has really, really found my calling,' Ackman told us.



Ackman, who had blisters on his hands by the end of the day, was also part of the early see-saw assembly team and he helped carry the tables.



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Bill Ackman Just Wrapped Up An Incredibly Awkward Interview On CNBC

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Bill Ackman was just on CNBC, talking about his (so far) money losing investment into JC Penney.

It was very awkward.

Ackman was putting a positive spin on the fact that he's taken a bath so far on JC Penney, and going into tons of detail about the turnaround plan at the retailer.

Squaek Box co-host Andrew Ross Sorkin was trying to prevent him from delivering a "commercial" for JC Penney, and Ackman kept insisting he was getting interrupted

There's a lot of "I'm talking""No, I'm talking" going on.

Of particular relevance is when Sorkin asked him whether it makes any sense to hype up JC Penney CEO's background at Apple, given hat at Apple stores, Ron Johnson had amazing Apple products to sell.

Ackman's response: Ron Johnson was instrumental in creating the whole beautiful Apple ecosystem AND JC Penney has amazing brands that are its "iPad."

As the interview ended, Ackman tried presenting the clear bull case for JCP, and the CNBC producers had to play the music to usher him off the set!

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A Complete Guide To Bill Ackman's Total Trainwreck Of An Interview On CNBC

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Bill Ackman, the CEO of Pershing Square Capital Management, was on CNBC's "Squawk Box" this morning to talk about his bullish case for JCPenney following a piece by Andrew Ross Sorkin in the NYTimes that ripped into the retailer. 

In short, it was an incredibly awkward 14 minute segment for both sides. 

Now look, we like Ackman. He's one of the most media savvy hedge fund managers out there.  Sorkin is great too.

However, this interview was a total train wreck. 

The context is that Ackman is the largest JCP shareholder, and has taken a bath on the stock so far. So naturally, coming into the spotlight, and putting a positive face on things (which Ackman does very well), is going to be difficult.

Here are some highlights. We've included the full CNBC video below. 

1:09: Ackman passes out these "little pins" that Ron Johnson is using instead of the traditional coupons and promotions.  Customers can take these pins and punch a number into their phone to find out if they win a "cute little prize" such as a trip to Disney World or a $500 gift card. How does he know it works? Ackman says he was buying a banana in the CNBC cafeteria and Andrea (she does make up at CNBC) asked about the pin and if she could have one and how she could get more of them.  

3:13: Although no one was really interrupting like they sometimes tend to do on the show at this point, Ackman says,  "Before you interrupt. I've got to explain.  This is important." 

3:19: Ackman then holds up some visuals he brought along to show the shops Ron Johnson will have implemented in JCPenney.Bill Ackman

4:46: Again, Ackman doesn't want to be interrupted by the hosts.  "Hold on...Hold on.  You gotta. This is important.  I know on CNBC you like things really short." 

5:15: Same thing moments later. "Stick with me....The thing he needs to do, and I'll give you a chance to cut in in a second." 

5:28: Sorkin jumps in, "Now it's my turn." Ackman says, "Hold on." Sorkin says, "No no we're not doing an advertisement for JCPenney."Ackman responds that he's not advertising, but "explaining." 

8:48: Ackman tells Sorkin that he interrupts a lot. "I don't think I'm making myself clear.  Hold on.  You interrupt a lot. Now it's my turn to speak." ackman

10:43: Sorkin asks Ackman if he thinks it's fair to Ron Johnson to compare JCPenney to his experience at Apple.  Ackman says, "yes." Ackman makes the case that both Johnson and the product at Apple deserve credit and the same thing will be true at JCPenney. 

13:09: Sorkin says, "For your sake and for Ron Johnson's sake I hope this works.  I am a believer in great comeback stories.

13:25: Ackman starts making an analogy about how he can own JCPenney and CNBC starts playing music for the commercial break.  (It plays for about a minute) "I get a chance we come back after a commercial, I'm happy to stay," Ackman says.  Then, Sorkin says, "I think we're going." Ackman responds, "Give me one minute and I'm happy to come back another time." 

14:25: It's over.

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REPORT: Carl Icahn Has Bought A Stake In Herbalife (HLF)

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Herbalife became very popular recently when activist investor Bill Ackman deemed it a pyramid scheme and said the stock price was going to zero.

Yesterday, high-profile hedge fund manager Dan Loeb came out and said Ackman's claim was wrong and joined the other side of the bet.

Now The New York Post is reporting that Carl Icahn is on Loeb's side in the bet favoring Herbalife:

Ackman isn’t on the good side of fellow activist investor Carl Icahn either, sources added.

Icahn is still smarting from a bitter legal battle Ackman won in 2012 after a real-estate deal between the two went bad.

Icahn is also believed to have taken a long position in Herbalife, sources said.

The possibility of Loeb and Icahn going up against Ackman’s Herbalife short sent investors into a tizzy.

Read more at NYPost.com.

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